advice dual boot

I used Partition Magic to partition the drive I have Vista x64 on to prepare for x86 dual boot. It was stated that use of PM may not have been the best move and I understand that. So the question is. . .do I go ahead and install on the PM partition, or use PM to remove the partition as it was and let Vista x86 handle it? or does it even matter. . .
-- Domey ------------------

I may have been responsible for one of those remarks, this Vista stuff is all new to me too, so can't tell to what extent the Vista installer will react or even care. But in more general terms, when installing, the installer is well equiped to handle whatever - as long as you don't throw a Linux installation at it, but then the Linux installers would be sure to handle it. The installer will not care what created the partition, it will know if it is bootable and if it is empty.
I was surprised to see the Vista Partitioning routine did not tag a name or any designation to the partitions - only the type and the size and the partition number, so you have to be able to recognize your partitions by these designators in order to know what to install on and what to leave behind.
As long as you can point the installer to the partition, it doesn't matter if you delete it first or if it was PM that created it. If you go ahead and point the installer to the PM partition however, I cannot be certain at the moment that it would set up a boot menu for you, so you might loose the option to boot into the first system.
If I have Andre correct, your best option now would be to use the Vista installer and delete the PM partition there, then create an extended partition, and create a logical partition inside that (to give you a drive letter) inside the extended partition you can create more logical partitions - if you divide up the space between them, but any space you leave behind will not be visible to the OS, and you will have no way of getting at it from inside the OS, so however way you want to put this space to use, is determined at this point. But using the logical partition, the system should set up a boot menu for you and give you an option to boot into whatever.
Hope this helps!
Tony. . .
"Domey" wrote in message

I used Partition Magic to partition the drive I have Vista x64 on to prepare for x86 dual boot. It was stated that use of PM may not have been the best move and I understand that. So the question is. . .do I go ahead and install on the PM partition, or use PM to remove the partition as it was and let Vista x86 handle it? or does it even matter. . .
-- Domey ------------------

Perhaps, to not make you think that this is so trivial that you have cart-blanche and nothing matters, I should tell you that there was nothing wrong in using PM, you may in fact be pleased that you did.
If you have a disk where the windows installer automatically uses all space (the default) then you will want a way to re-size the partition in order to create new partitions. The Windows Installers do not do any re-sizing while PM does (as well as most Linux installers).
So, if you start out with a new un-partitioned disk it will be a good thing to have a clear mind how to use the space, and do the partitioning accordingly. This is then difficult to change later without loosing data or re-using a partition by installing clean, meaning you'll lose whatever was there before.
At least, now you have the partition and you don't have to think about re-sizing.

Tony Sperling wrote:

I may have been responsible for one of those remarks, this Vista stuff is all new to me too, so can't tell to what extent the Vista installer will react or even care. But in more general terms, when installing, the installer is well equiped to handle whatever - as long as you don't throw a Linux installation at it, but then the Linux installers would be sure to handle it. The installer will not care what created the partition, it will know if it is bootable and if it is empty.
I was surprised to see the Vista Partitioning routine did not tag a name or any designation to the partitions - only the type and the size and the partition number, so you have to be able to recognize your partitions by these designators in order to know what to install on and what to leave behind.
As long as you can point the installer to the partition, it doesn't matter if you delete it first or if it was PM that created it. If you go ahead and point the installer to the PM partition however, I cannot be certain at the moment that it would set up a boot menu for you, so you might loose the option to boot into the first system.
If I have Andre correct, your best option now would be to use the Vista installer and delete the PM partition there, then create an extended partition, and create a logical partition inside that (to give you a drive letter) inside the extended partition you can create more logical partitions - if you divide up the space between them, but any space you leave behind will not be visible to the OS, and you will have no way of getting at it from inside the OS, so however way you want to put this space to use, is determined at this point. But using the logical partition, the system should set up a boot menu for you and give you an option to boot into whatever.

You're talking about creating "logical partitions" inside extended partitions. You do mean to say "logical DRIVES" inside extended partitions, don't you. Vista hasn't come out with something new in the form of a "logical partition," has it?
Ron

I've had NO success installing Vista Beta 2 to a logical partition, on both an Nvidia nForce 4 chipset and an ATI Radeon Xpress 200 chipset.
I recommend creating a primary partition to install Vista on. As soon as I did that, things went smoothly.
R.
"Tony Sperling" wrote:

I may have been responsible for one of those remarks, this Vista stuff is all new to me too, so can't tell to what extent the Vista installer will react or even care. But in more general terms, when installing, the installer is well equiped to handle whatever - as long as you don't throw a Linux installation at it, but then the Linux installers would be sure to handle it. The installer will not care what created the partition, it will know if it is bootable and if it is empty.
I was surprised to see the Vista Partitioning routine did not tag a name or any designation to the partitions - only the type and the size and the partition number, so you have to be able to recognize your partitions by these designators in order to know what to install on and what to leave behind.
As long as you can point the installer to the partition, it doesn't matter if you delete it first or if it was PM that created it. If you go ahead and point the installer to the PM partition however, I cannot be certain at the moment that it would set up a boot menu for you, so you might loose the option to boot into the first system.
If I have Andre correct, your best option now would be to use the Vista installer and delete the PM partition there, then create an extended partition, and create a logical partition inside that (to give you a drive letter) inside the extended partition you can create more logical partitions - if you divide up the space between them, but any space you leave behind will not be visible to the OS, and you will have no way of getting at it from inside the OS, so however way you want to put this space to use, is determined at this point. But using the logical partition, the system should set up a boot menu for you and give you an option to boot into whatever.
Hope this helps!
Tony. . .
"Domey" wrote in message I used Partition Magic to partition the drive I have Vista x64 on to prepare for x86 dual boot. It was stated that use of PM may not have been the best move and I understand that. So the question is. . .do I go ahead and install on the PM partition, or use PM to remove the partition as it was and let Vista x86 handle it? or does it even matter. . .
-- Domey ------------------

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:30:01 -0700, Rob wrote:

I've had NO success installing Vista Beta 2 to a logical partition, on both an Nvidia nForce 4 chipset and an ATI Radeon Xpress 200 chipset.
I recommend creating a primary partition to install Vista on. As soon as I did that, things went smoothly.
R.

I'm not sure what a "logical partition" is. I'm aware of Primary and Extended partitions; primary partitions may be active or inactive. On either type of partition, you can place logical drives (the number of logical drives per partition is different on each). An operating system can be placed only on a primary partition, but I don't know what a "logical partition" is. Please explain. Thanks.

"Tony Sperling" wrote:
I may have been responsible for one of those remarks, this Vista stuff is all new to me too, so can't tell to what extent the Vista installer will react or even care. But in more general terms, when installing, the installer is well equiped to handle whatever - as long as you don't throw a Linux installation at it, but then the Linux installers would be sure to handle it. The installer will not care what created the partition, it will know if it is bootable and if it is empty.
I was surprised to see the Vista Partitioning routine did not tag a name or any designation to the partitions - only the type and the size and the partition number, so you have to be able to recognize your partitions by these designators in order to know what to install on and what to leave behind.
As long as you can point the installer to the partition, it doesn't matter if you delete it first or if it was PM that created it. If you go ahead and point the installer to the PM partition however, I cannot be certain at the moment that it would set up a boot menu for you, so you might loose the option to boot into the first system.
If I have Andre correct, your best option now would be to use the Vista installer and delete the PM partition there, then create an extended partition, and create a logical partition inside that (to give you a drive letter) inside the extended partition you can create more logical partitions - if you divide up the space between them, but any space you leave behind will not be visible to the OS, and you will have no way of getting at it from inside the OS, so however way you want to put this space to use, is determined at this point. But using the logical partition, the system should set up a boot menu for you and give you an option to boot into whatever.
Hope this helps!
Tony. . .
"Domey" wrote in message I used Partition Magic to partition the drive I have Vista x64 on to prepare for x86 dual boot. It was stated that use of PM may not have been the best move and I understand that. So the question is. . .do I go ahead and install on the PM partition, or use PM to remove the partition as it was and let Vista x86 handle it? or does it even matter. . .
-- Domey ------------------

A logical partition is a partition within an extended partition.
So I know there's a limit to the # of primary partiions you can have on a disk (but don't remember exactly how many - 2 or 4 maybe), but I believe you can create a much larger # of logical partitions within an extended partition (but only 1 extended partition per disk.
I'm pretty sure that's how it goes. I've never had any trouble installing XP, Server2003, Linux, etc on an logical partition until Vista. That said, installing Vista on a Primary partition solved the problem I was having. That's the key point I'm trying to offer.
R.
"milleron" wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:30:01 -0700, Rob Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
I've had NO success installing Vista Beta 2 to a logical partition, on both an Nvidia nForce 4 chipset and an ATI Radeon Xpress 200 chipset.
I recommend creating a primary partition to install Vista on. As soon as I did that, things went smoothly.
R.
I'm not sure what a "logical partition" is. I'm aware of Primary and Extended partitions; primary partitions may be active or inactive. On either type of partition, you can place logical drives (the number of logical drives per partition is different on each). An operating system can be placed only on a primary partition, but I don't know what a "logical partition" is. Please explain. Thanks.

"Tony Sperling" wrote:
I may have been responsible for one of those remarks, this Vista stuff is all new to me too, so can't tell to what extent the Vista installer will react or even care. But in more general terms, when installing, the installer is well equiped to handle whatever - as long as you don't throw a Linux installation at it, but then the Linux installers would be sure to handle it. The installer will not care what created the partition, it will know if it is bootable and if it is empty.
I was surprised to see the Vista Partitioning routine did not tag a name or any designation to the partitions - only the type and the size and the partition number, so you have to be able to recognize your partitions by these designators in order to know what to install on and what to leave behind.
As long as you can point the installer to the partition, it doesn't matter if you delete it first or if it was PM that created it. If you go ahead and point the installer to the PM partition however, I cannot be certain at the moment that it would set up a boot menu for you, so you might loose the option to boot into the first system.
If I have Andre correct, your best option now would be to use the Vista installer and delete the PM partition there, then create an extended partition, and create a logical partition inside that (to give you a drive letter) inside the extended partition you can create more logical partitions - if you divide up the space between them, but any space you leave behind will not be visible to the OS, and you will have no way of getting at it from inside the OS, so however way you want to put this space to use, is determined at this point. But using the logical partition, the system should set up a boot menu for you and give you an option to boot into whatever.
Hope this helps!
Tony. . .
"Domey" wrote in message I used Partition Magic to partition the drive I have Vista x64 on to prepare for x86 dual boot. It was stated that use of PM may not have been the best move and I understand that. So the question is. . .do I go ahead and install on the PM partition, or use PM to remove the partition as it was and let Vista x86 handle it? or does it even matter. . .
-- Domey ------------------

What you create in Extended partitions are logical drives. You can't actually create a partition within a partition, can you? Perhaps "logical partion" is a synonym for "logical drive" that I just haven't heard of before.
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:41:02 -0700, Rob wrote:

A logical partition is a partition within an extended partition.
So I know there's a limit to the # of primary partiions you can have on a disk (but don't remember exactly how many - 2 or 4 maybe), but I believe you can create a much larger # of logical partitions within an extended partition (but only 1 extended partition per disk.
I'm pretty sure that's how it goes. I've never had any trouble installing XP, Server2003, Linux, etc on an logical partition until Vista. That said, installing Vista on a Primary partition solved the problem I was having. That's the key point I'm trying to offer.
R.
"milleron" wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:30:01 -0700, Rob Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
I've had NO success installing Vista Beta 2 to a logical partition, on both an Nvidia nForce 4 chipset and an ATI Radeon Xpress 200 chipset.
I recommend creating a primary partition to install Vista on. As soon as I did that, things went smoothly.
R.
I'm not sure what a "logical partition" is. I'm aware of Primary and Extended partitions; primary partitions may be active or inactive. On either type of partition, you can place logical drives (the number of logical drives per partition is different on each). An operating system can be placed only on a primary partition, but I don't know what a "logical partition" is. Please explain. Thanks.

"Tony Sperling" wrote:
I may have been responsible for one of those remarks, this Vista stuff is all new to me too, so can't tell to what extent the Vista installer will react or even care. But in more general terms, when installing, the installer is well equiped to handle whatever - as long as you don't throw a Linux installation at it, but then the Linux installers would be sure to handle it. The installer will not care what created the partition, it will know if it is bootable and if it is empty.
I was surprised to see the Vista Partitioning routine did not tag a name or any designation to the partitions - only the type and the size and the partition number, so you have to be able to recognize your partitions by these designators in order to know what to install on and what to leave behind.
As long as you can point the installer to the partition, it doesn't matter if you delete it first or if it was PM that created it. If you go ahead and point the installer to the PM partition however, I cannot be certain at the moment that it would set up a boot menu for you, so you might loose the option to boot into the first system.
If I have Andre correct, your best option now would be to use the Vista installer and delete the PM partition there, then create an extended partition, and create a logical partition inside that (to give you a drive letter) inside the extended partition you can create more logical partitions - if you divide up the space between them, but any space you leave behind will not be visible to the OS, and you will have no way of getting at it from inside the OS, so however way you want to put this space to use, is determined at this point. But using the logical partition, the system should set up a boot menu for you and give you an option to boot into whatever.
Hope this helps!
Tony. . .
"Domey" wrote in message I used Partition Magic to partition the drive I have Vista x64 on to prepare for x86 dual boot. It was stated that use of PM may not have been the best move and I understand that. So the question is. . .do I go ahead and install on the PM partition, or use PM to remove the partition as it was and let Vista x86 handle it? or does it even matter. . .
-- Domey ------------------

Of course, technically speeking, you are absolutely correct, but for most of us humble amateurs it makes sense to separate HD related activity to concepts that is relating to how things are looking, as seen from inside the OS - as opposed to how it looks as seen from the BIOS or an installation routine.
When seen from inside the OS no-one but no-one thinks of what is underneath their drive letters as partitions. And for the untrained it does not make any sense to think of drives within drives more than partitions within partitions remains an abstract concept to you. We are concerned, here, with the ironing-out-of-wrinkles and faking not to understand the concept of a logical partition is not helpful to a lot.
Tony. . .
"milleron" wrote in message

What you create in Extended partitions are logical drives. You can't actually create a partition within a partition, can you? Perhaps "logical partion" is a synonym for "logical drive" that I just haven't heard of before.
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:41:02 -0700, Rob Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
A logical partition is a partition within an extended partition.
So I know there's a limit to the # of primary partiions you can have on a disk (but don't remember exactly how many - 2 or 4 maybe), but I believe you can create a much larger # of logical partitions within an extended partition (but only 1 extended partition per disk.
I'm pretty sure that's how it goes. I've never had any trouble installing XP, Server2003, Linux, etc on an logical partition until Vista. That said, installing Vista on a Primary partition solved the problem I was having. That's the key point I'm trying to offer.
R.
"milleron" wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:30:01 -0700, Rob Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
I've had NO success installing Vista Beta 2 to a logical partition, on both an Nvidia nForce 4 chipset and an ATI Radeon Xpress 200 chipset.
I recommend creating a primary partition to install Vista on. As soon as I did that, things went smoothly.
R.
I'm not sure what a "logical partition" is. I'm aware of Primary and Extended partitions; primary partitions may be active or inactive. On either type of partition, you can place logical drives (the number of logical drives per partition is different on each). An operating system can be placed only on a primary partition, but I don't know what a "logical partition" is. Please explain. Thanks.

"Tony Sperling" wrote:
I may have been responsible for one of those remarks, this Vista stuff is all new to me too, so can't tell to what extent the Vista installer will react or even care. But in more general terms, when installing, the installer is well equiped to handle whatever - as long as you don't throw a Linux installation at it, but then the Linux installers would be sure to handle it. The installer will not care what created the partition, it will know if it is bootable and if it is empty.
I was surprised to see the Vista Partitioning routine did not tag a name or any designation to the partitions - only the type and the size and the partition number, so you have to be able to recognize your partitions by these designators in order to know what to install on and what to leave behind.
As long as you can point the installer to the partition, it doesn't matter if you delete it first or if it was PM that created it. If you go ahead and point the installer to the PM partition however, I cannot be certain at the moment that it would set up a boot menu for you, so you might loose the option to boot into the first system.
If I have Andre correct, your best option now would be to use the Vista installer and delete the PM partition there, then create an extended partition, and create a logical partition inside that (to give you a drive letter) inside the extended partition you can create more logical partitions - if you divide up the space between them, but any space you leave behind will not be visible to the OS, and you will have no way of getting at it from inside the OS, so however way you want to put this space to use, is determined at this point. But using the logical partition, the system should set up a boot menu for you and give you an option to boot into whatever.
Hope this helps!
Tony. . .
"Domey" wrote in message I used Partition Magic to partition the drive I have Vista x64 on to prepare for x86 dual boot. It was stated that use of PM may not have been the best move and I understand that. So the question is. . .do I go ahead and install on the PM partition, or use PM to remove the partition as it was and let Vista x86 handle it? or does it even matter. . .
-- Domey ------------------

I think these touch on what is meant by the term "logical partition." as Rob explained and as you said that "Perhaps "logical partion" is a synonym for "logical drive" as milleron has said is the way it gets used. This discussion has been good for me--I find these terms plenty confusing the more I try to read on them and the more MSKBs ect. I pound on them. I also am not sure right now how well PM works *within or On Vista* or if Vista will have problems with drives, ect. created by PM right now until they update it.
Millerons point on installing on a primary partition was a good one for me to remember.
Primary, Extended and Logical Partitions http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/structPartitions-c.html
How to use the Disk Management Snap-in to manage Basic and Dynamic Disks in Windows Server 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/323442/en-us
CH
"milleron" wrote in message

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:30:01 -0700, Rob Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
I've had NO success installing Vista Beta 2 to a logical partition, on both an Nvidia nForce 4 chipset and an ATI Radeon Xpress 200 chipset.
I recommend creating a primary partition to install Vista on. As soon as I did that, things went smoothly.
R.
I'm not sure what a "logical partition" is. I'm aware of Primary and Extended partitions; primary partitions may be active or inactive. On either type of partition, you can place logical drives (the number of logical drives per partition is different on each). An operating system can be placed only on a primary partition, but I don't know what a "logical partition" is. Please explain. Thanks.

"Tony Sperling" wrote:
I may have been responsible for one of those remarks, this Vista stuff is all new to me too, so can't tell to what extent the Vista installer will react or even care. But in more general terms, when installing, the installer is well equiped to handle whatever - as long as you don't throw a Linux installation at it, but then the Linux installers would be sure to handle it. The installer will not care what created the partition, it will know if it is bootable and if it is empty.
I was surprised to see the Vista Partitioning routine did not tag a name or any designation to the partitions - only the type and the size and the partition number, so you have to be able to recognize your partitions by these designators in order to know what to install on and what to leave behind.
As long as you can point the installer to the partition, it doesn't matter if you delete it first or if it was PM that created it. If you go ahead and point the installer to the PM partition however, I cannot be certain at the moment that it would set up a boot menu for you, so you might loose the option to boot into the first system.
If I have Andre correct, your best option now would be to use the Vista installer and delete the PM partition there, then create an extended partition, and create a logical partition inside that (to give you a drive letter) inside the extended partition you can create more logical partitions - if you divide up the space between them, but any space you leave behind will not be visible to the OS, and you will have no way of getting at it from inside the OS, so however way you want to put this space to use, is determined at this point. But using the logical partition, the system should set up a boot menu for you and give you an option to boot into whatever.
Hope this helps!
Tony. . .
"Domey" wrote in message I used Partition Magic to partition the drive I have Vista x64 on to prepare for x86 dual boot. It was stated that use of PM may not have been the best move and I understand that. So the question is. . .do I go ahead and install on the PM partition, or use PM to remove the partition as it was and let Vista x86 handle it? or does it even matter. . .
-- Domey ------------------